Interesting Conversation

There’s a conversation going on at BlogHer about “conservative feminism”, check it out.

For the first time in decades, fresh blood has infused the feminist movement. If we could actually move beyond our reproductive organs, women are poised to have candid debates about their perspectives on the economy, health care, national defense and education. Both sides of feminism — liberal and conservative — have valid and interesting points that all American women deserve to hear.

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11 Responses to Interesting Conversation

  1. AmyG says:

    I support anything that gives women the rights that we deserve.

  2. GiGi says:

    I don’t see how one can be conservative (especially a neo-con as is the case with 99.9% of them these days) and be considered a feminist. Olympia Snowe comes *close* but she’s really the only one I can think of at the moment.

    • vegas710 says:

      I agree. The conversation over there focuses on abortion rights and whether or not you have to be pro-choice to be a feminist. It’s frustrating because there are a lot of other issues but I’m not sure you can really be a feminist and still oppose the right for a woman to make a medical decision.

      • Kiliki says:

        Agreed. When someone says they support the rights that women deserve, do they really mean that, or do they mean “I support the rights I believe women should deserve.” Personal freedom and keeping government out of our lives? Only if you don’t want to make personal choices about your own body. Freedom of religion? Only when it’s their religion. Freedom of speech? Only when you agree with them, because otherwise you’re name calling. Respect of the Constitution? They couldn’t modify the 14th amendment soon enough regarding birthright citizenship.

        The hypocrisy of conservatives in general is often mind boggling.

    • AmyG says:

      Thank you for lumping me into your perception of conservative feminists. I am both a feminist and a conservative regardless of what you “Feel.”
      Now you have two that you may think of.

  3. leftover says:

    Interesting conversation. Thanks for the link.
    I think one of the traps we fall into when talking “feminism” as “liberal” or “conservative”…political definitions…is we are using definitions, stereotypes, mindsets that are rooted in the same male dominated ethic that brought us to this point.
    To me, feminism is not about politics…liberal or conservative. It’s about empowering women’s voices, recognizing how women view the world…which is profoundly different from the way men view the world…and exploiting that recognition to create a new ethic of care…a new way for both men and women to view the world, recognizing the value and validity of both…breaking us, both, free of the male dominated, sexist, ethic of superiority and power. Feminism is certainly a political issue. Men have made it one for a very long time. Employing definitions and stereotypes rooted in male dominated imagery, or exploiting those definitions and stereotypes for personal or political gain, only obscures the goal of recognition through empowerment.
    Debating wether Sarah Palin is a feminist or a “good” feminist, a conservative or liberal, to me, misses the point. Somewhere children are watching. The message getting burned into their synapses is “what Sarah Palin says matters…what Hilary Clinton says matters…what Mommy says matters….”
    But that’s, like, a completely male viewpoint…..

    • AmyG says:

      Thank you, leftover for saying it more eloquently than I could.

      • leftover says:

        The goal is to create something new. We can’t do that if we stay mired in political characterizations wrought from a couple of thousand years of male dominated ethics.

        Our views of liberalism must change. Our definitions of conservatism must change. A woman parroting the unprincipled opportunism of male dominated conservatism is not feminism. It’s not change. A woman championing traditional male dominated liberalism while remaining silent on the failures of identity politics is not feminism. It’s not change. All feminists must share the same goal: the creation of a gendered ethics that aims to eliminate or at least ameliorate the oppression of any group of people, but most particularly women.

        Feminist approaches to a new ethic of care, wether care-focused or status-focused, must seek to (1) articulate moral critiques of actions and practices that perpetuate women’s subordination; (2) prescribe morally justifiable ways of resisting such actions and practices; (3) envision morally desirable alternatives for such actions and practices; and (4) take women’s moral experience seriously, though not uncritically. Feminist should aim, first and foremost, to improve the overall condition for women in particular, and also for other vulnerable people like children, the elderly, the infirm, the disabled, and disadvantaged minorities.

        Recognizing that a policy that benefits one group of women might at the same time harm another group of women, it is probably a mistake for feminists not to endorse policies able to serve the most important interests of the widest range of women. For this reason, many feminist believe they have an obligation first to listen to women’s differing points of view and then to fashion a consensus view from them. Employing traditional male dominated political tactics of gross generalization, mischaracterization, stereotyping, enmity and fear, keep us locked inside the box of traditional male dominated ethics, unable to listen critically and make choices which move us down a path toward something new.

        You can’t see what’s outside the box from inside the box. Empowering women’s’ voices must must include listening…critically…and not falling into a trap which perpetuates the subordination of women’s voices. What Sarah Palin says matters. What Hilary Clinton says matters. What Mommy says matters. The first step is listening.
        Solidarity, sisters, is the key. Enmity is the male trap designed to defeat feminist solidarity.

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